• Talon's damage is actually insane. His mid game and late game are insanely strong and I feel like he should be more popular in the pro season because of zed nerfs and the rise of squishy low armor AP mids. Check out this really nice theorycrafting article I read about Talon.

    http://www.leagueofcrafting.com/theorycrafting/theorycrafting-5-talon

    Any thoughts on his low popularity?

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    • Compared to zed, talon must commit much harder to get kills and can't get out as easily and cleanly as zed. Because of this he is far more limited by comp and only really works with a hard engage/teamfighting comp and even then there are better midlane choices for a comp like that than either zed or talon. LCS players value flexiblity, Utility, and the maximum reward at the least risk.

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    • Because unlike Zed or nearly any other assassin, Talon offers nearly no ability to out-play his opponent. He runs at people until he's in range for his blink, he goes in, he does his thing... and then he's got no reliable way to get out unless he's been saving his ult, which offers the closest thing he has to an outplay by giving him the opportunity to get into range from stealth, so it's usually used to initiate, if you're not just double-tapping it for the damage. Because of all this, Talon is incredibly predictable and also liable to blow up against co-ordinated opponents, going at best one for one unless he's insanely fed, which is not a worthwhile trade in competitive.

      Stormraider's Surge deals partially with his problem of not having an out, but I don't think it solves enough of his problems for him to see any significant pro play. This is not me saying Talon is weak, mind. He's very strong in solo queue, particularly below Diamond (or maybe Plat). But his lack of ability to outplay opponents, coupled with his opponents' ability to outplay him if they're working together, rather cripples him at the professional level.

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    • I disagree(for zed at least) because if one can switch between shadows, the chance for outplays is very high. The reason I do not think they are played in high elos is that (zed) can only kill 1 person with his ult making his team fight utility very limited. Also currently most LCS players use an AP mid since it goes well with the team comp. 

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    • DualDragon wrote:
      I disagree(for zed at least) because if one can switch between shadows, the chance for outplays is very high. The reason I do not think they are played in high elos is that (zed) can only kill 1 person with his ult making his team fight utility very limited. Also currently most LCS players use an AP mid since it goes well with the team comp. 

      Not only is this a huge necro, I also dont see anyone saying zed can't outplay. Zed was being used as an example of one who CAN get in and out.


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    • Goodiesohhi wrote:
      DualDragon wrote:
      I disagree(for zed at least) because if one can switch between shadows, the chance for outplays is very high. The reason I do not think they are played in high elos is that (zed) can only kill 1 person with his ult making his team fight utility very limited. Also currently most LCS players use an AP mid since it goes well with the team comp. 
      Not only is this a huge necro, I also dont see anyone saying zed can't outplay. Zed was being used as an example of one who CAN get in and out. Also zed can kill more than one person.. Do you play zed? once you have your 2 shadows out and have deleted, say the adc... You can probably get the enemy midlaner or supp as well if you were able to get the adc so easily.. Plus with maw and black cleaver, you usually dont need to r back immediately..



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